Licence Regulation. - Different Guns - Same Source?

Two pics to make a point ..

They both have a knife - One threatens deadly violence, while the other poses NO risk.

 - in fact the womans knife is LARGER and - she likely has several more knives close at hand.

IT IS NOT THE TOOLS .. GUN or KNIFE that is the PROBLEM. It is the unrestrained CRIMINAL

Here's two more pics ..

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Point made? - It's NOT the guns that are the issue.

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Here's two old Pocket Pistols that, - on the face of it, are completely unconnected:

- A Flintlock from HARCOURT of IPSWICH  .. very late 18th or early 19th Century - and

A Percussion Pistol engraved H NOCK of LONDON dating later around 1830-1840.

Both antique carry guns are 'Turn-off Barrel' Breech Loading, Boxlock Pistols, - both 'smoothbore' and both have a sliding 'SAFETY' behind their Cock & Hammer, - but the Flinter's barrel is .475 inch bore and 13/4 inch long while the Cap-Gun is .45" Bore and 3inchs.

Both are from fine English Gun Makers of high repute, supplying arms to their Monarchs - but, when the flinter arrived I noticed that the join-interface of the ACTION to STOCK was similar on each, - as also were the shapes of the Triggers and Trigger Guards.

Rolling them over onto their backs and ..

and there's that screw (centre) holding the action side-plate, intersected by the engraved line and each gun has the same three decorative 'slashes' cut into both sides of the tang .. 

And then there are the BIRMINGHAM  PROOF MARKS stamped into the underside of both powder chambers and barrels.

Seriously - I don't think either of these pistols was actually made by the named Gunsmiths engraved on the locks.

I reckon these common self-defence tools were routinely once made for The Trade by the outworkers of the Birminghams' industrial complex, where a well practiced group of contracters each conducted his speciality craft .. forging, filing, drilling, boring, polishing, woodworking, fitting, assembling, engraving, etc.

This contracting-out must have been standard practice for retail Gunshops then, as now. This loads their shelves with standard sales product while retaining the skills of their Master Craftsmen selectively to service the wealthy elites. 

They had their names engraved onto the locks and no doubt would stand-by their guarantees - but this ordinary stuff for ordinary users was the 'stock in trade' - much like modern 'Swiss Made' watches assembled using Chinese made parts. - Naturally their respective 'topline' products were built almost entirely in house.

"You gets no bread with one meatball"  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=po5rUasUWIg

Another common feature here is that both valued collectables are in rough condition having aquired corrosion and damage over the last two hundred years they've been used and abused, in well travelled lives.

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I was chatting to a neighbor - a retired Headmaster, nice guy, licensed,-  telling me he was going off Duck Shooting at the week-end .. 

- He did not know that our police are NOT required to have GUN LICENCES as he is ..

How would I fix our gun laws? - Well I'd make all Muzzleloading blackpowder pistols and long arms 'off licence' to all fit and proper citizens. - I'd require all owners of cartridge guns to be properly trained in SAFETY and checked and certified as Fit & Proper before issuance of a LIFETIME LICENCE updated with new photo ID for a nominal fee perhaps every 10 years by an INDEPENDENT AUTHORITY. - Collectors, Pistols and High Capacity magazines requiring Endorsed Licences and Registration. - Any Violent Crime history or Mental Health problems disqualifying from licence issue unless appealed and exempted. 

Recognition from police that Firearms Licence holders ARE Fit and Proper Persons and, as such, are qualified to serve as Auxiliary Police Constables.

- ALL sworn POLICE required to obtain and MAINTAIN the exact same civilian NZ Firearms Licence (Endorsed) and conditions, but with extra, thorough enforcement law and marksmanship training/certification.

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Marty K.

Getting into HOT Water with RUST:

A man's rights rest in three boxes: the ballot box, the jury box, and the cartridge box.  Frederick Douglass

CLEANING:

This is how I do it .. I'm not telling anyone how to do anything - especially if you should be excluded from any working kitchen with sharp knives, hot plates, and smoking cooking oils.

For years I've used boiling water to flush-out corrosive residue from my shotgun barrels and Black Powder Muzzle loaders - and I'm pretty confident that doing this works very well to prevent corrosion. 

Yes, I have lightly scalded myself.

- Conversely, I have to confess that I did, once, totally neglect to take any cleaning action after a range day and when I next examined that particular piece it was disgustingly RUSTY down the bore - meaning I then had to spend hours working on it doing my best to fix it.

Working with boiling water and hot steel components has a risk of serious scalding burns .. YOU NEED to be very careful to work in an organised manner to eliminate all possibility of that roiling water splashing any body part - especially your LOWER regions when that liquid runs out with gravity. If you work with your social parts separated from the dirty bits that are contained inside a sink, you are getting there.

The beauty of this cleansing method is that the metal bits that have been flushed and hot scrubbed are hot and will self-dry, evaporating all moisture ready for oiling and servicing ( I use cheap 'canola oil' from the Supermarket ..

Warning: Hot things may be Hot.

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Old guns and genuine ANTIQUES will have damage, wear, and the dreaded RUST pitting.

'Experts' widely claim that RED RUST - which likely is Fe₂O₃, may be neutralised by boiling in pure water and, this active rust is converted into Black Iron Oxide Fe₃O₄ - stated to be more stable.

Hmm - I'm not too sure about this as I've tried it multiple times and the steel tool parts come out of the boiling fluid, looking to me, somewhat less gungy but still rusty.

Maybe my half-hour boil ups have been too short and I need to move to one hour plus (good times take time eh). - I'm still learning this stuff and I'm not denying the SCIENCE .. it's just that my results to date have been less than convincing.

This is crappy photography from my cell phone and the torch I'm shining into the hole seems to 'wash-out' the colour - but rest assured that there is STILL reddish-brown RUST in that corroded area at the inner end of the thread and this is after it being boiled twice and oiled.

Seriously - I'm not expecting the boiling to repair the centurys old damage - but it says 'on the box' that it will convert the bloody rust.

STOP PRESS: Mark Novak just posted a 9 minute, very useful video on RUST, PITTING, CARDING and Restoration work - Link ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qch-7pSmwOU

- I think there is some useful info in the 'comments' posted under the video. - Perhaps that's the trick .. boil and scratch .. boil and excoriate - repeat and treat ..

Now this last image (I promise) still shows brownish RUST pitting after a 4th boiling.

I'd call that 'A FAIL' - however the repeated boiling did darken/blacken & improve the outside surface of the barrel

- So I'm not convinced. - Well I'm not a natural "believer" anyway - so I've scraped-out all the brownish pitted areas with a steel pick .. the loose dust was blackish, and I have applied some CRC Rust Converter liquid with an artists bristle paintbrush all over the internal bore.

I'm informed that EVAPO-RUST type chemical mixes may be tri-ethanol-amine phosphate together with other miracle ingredients like water ..

This stuff HAS blackened the corroded internals and I will relax some after oiling it all over and giving the assembled antique gun a nice cuddle.

Warning: When boiling anything in the kitchen - You really do need to set a TIMER, if you leave the 'hood and are not going to stand there supervising. Time flies when you're having fun and, - you don't want to burn the house down or ruin your saucepan eh.

I DO Like Pretty Things (Birmingham Proof Marked)

Life, in general, is great,

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Marty K

.22 Long Rifle - Better in a SHORT Rifle:

 A.I. is not very intelligent.

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I asked the computer "How much .22 L.R is made in the world every year?" and it answers - It's estimated that around 2.5 billion .22 Long Rifle cartridges are produced annually worldwide. 

I then asked "How much .22 L.R is made in USA every year?" and it answers 2 to 2.5 billion rounds - basically - to 'AI' - USA IS the world

- I suggest we don't ever rely on A.I. - but it's coming to a town near you.

These beautiful and well priced little rounds are accurate enough for Bull's-Eye Target shooting, being easy to handle - and they put-out enough power to do the job.

My earliest memory of shooting dates from a trip to 1950's Eire and my Uncle Martin harvesting a deer with his .22" rifle and having the fresh liver fried for supper.

WIKIPEDIA reckons .22 LR rounds put out from 130 foot pounds energy to 200 foot pounds.

- That 'LR' for Long Rifle might also stand for Low Recoil ..

In 1857 Smith &Wesson made their Model 1 Revolver that fired a Rimfire .22" short cartridge loaded with a 29 grain lead bullet and 4 grains of gunpowder. It was called the 'Short' only after they released the 'LONG' round with one extra grain of gunpowder.

1857 S&W Model 1 Revolver .22"R.F:

Britains Military reckon a lead shrapnel ball, having 60 ft/lb energy will disable an enemy - they should know - as they have had plenty of experience at killing people.

Link to TREATISE ON AMMUNITION, British War Office, Tenth Edition:

https://rnzaoc.com/wp-content/uploads/2018/08/treatise-on-ammunition-1915.pdf

Read it (552 pages) and learn many things from the British Government .. including how to make nitroglycerine and gun cotton and allsorts ....

- So, the Two-Two has TWO to THREE TIMES THE POWER needed to kill a soft skinned target. 

Even the modern pretty wee .22" SHORT cartridge, travelling at close to the speed of sound, makes some 80 ft/lb energy .. These are NOT toys.

That ex-kiwi anti-gun wanker Alpers at Sydney University says .. The .22 rifle is also the most commonly used gun in all firearm homicides. 

- How can you make a living from hating law abiding citizens and trying to stop them living a free life?

When considering other useless rubbish - I think that they still make .22 shit shot shells but they are next to useless much beyond six foot range. If you have a rat problem - I'd suggest you get an air rifle and have some fun.

Interesting But Mostly Useless ..

Variables: Some commercial .22"LR rounds are sub sonic while many are touted as being High Velocity .. The slower sub-sonic cartridges will generally have a heavier projectile and are well suited to be shot from a rifle fitted with a SOUND MODERATOR or silencer. This makes the noise level more socially acceptable and convenient.

The smart hunter will restrict his shots to ranges under 100-140 meters, as beyond that, the bullet drop becomes difficult to estimate.

The wise hunter will also chose his firearm with a barrel length below 40-46 cm - (16-18 inches) - a convenient length to manage that will optimise velocity. - Any longer length will reduce your potency.

I'd guess that it's only a matter of time before the Gun Banners try to extend their 'harmful Lead scare' from duck shooting shot shells to rifle pest control and wild food harvesting - despite the fact that there is plenty of natural Lead ore in the ground here not causing any issues.

"Gun Control" as enforced in New Zealand has very little to do with crime prevention. - The first gun control laws in 1845 and 1860 were introduced for fear of "insurrection" and to reduce availability of "warlike stores". All Governments that run nations for the benefit of wealthy elites fully realise their vulnerability to protest & armed revolution.

Crime Prevention is achieved by controlling CRIMINALS ..

Buy a Brick now - while you still can ..

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Marty K.

These well priced

There's More to GAS than Flatulence:

 Did you know that the medical study of stomach gas,  farting, is called 'flatology' ?

Stomach GAS - NITROGEN, Carbon Dioxide, METHANE and Hydrogen, - is caused by our internal bacteria fermenting our food intake in the gastrointestinal tract.

WE ALL GOT IT .. and we all fart. - For health reasons (Atherosclerosis), in recent years, I have changed to a vegetable based 'vegan' type diet and now eat a lot more beans and cabbage etc.

NOT ME

An interesting aside is that only just over half of us produce enough METHANE and Hydrogen gases to enable lighting Farts - some do - some don't, as the bacteria varies among us, in it's make-up and processes.

EXPLOSIVES generally work by making lots of GAS and shockwaves.

Guns are HEAT ENGINES driven by gases.

Now - the reason BLACK POWDER is so smokey is that it converts less than half (43%) of its' material into GAS - while the solids, salts (potassic sulphate & carbonate), produced, make-up the smoke and fouling particles. 

(- When e.g. nitroglycerin explodes, there is virtually NO smoke and the temperature of the gases rises to around 5,000 Degrees C. )

- It is that high pressure expanding gas that pushes the lead ball or bullet out of a gun - creating a SHOCKWAVE as it is released to atmosphere.

SMOKEY

Gun Powder is an antique mixture of materials that when burnt at room temperature and ambient pressure produces GAS equal to 380 times the volume of the original powder charge. - BUT - at the elevated temperatures arising in the combustion chamber and barrel of a black powder gun, - perhaps as high as 2,200-3,000 Degrees C - that same gas expands to 3,000 times that volume and violently accelerates your projectile up and out of the barrel muzzle .. making a loud BANG.

Not remarkably efficient in the modern scheme of things - but it does the job.

Variables, (like the poor) are always with us - proportions of the mix, particle size and shape, density of particle, moisture content, etc - how far do you want to go?

FLASHY

I reckon that it's very interesting that it is BACTERIA in the gut that makes all that stomach gas we all have - while it is BACTERIA in Dung Heaps that digest that animal dung and make natural NITRATES, formed as crystals, that historically we used to extract to get our POTASSIUM NITRATE to mix with CHARCOAL and SULFER to make our earliest GUNPOWDER around a thousand years ago ..

Bacteria .. there's a lot more of them than us - 5 NONILLION - that's 5 followed by 30 zeros

Your body is crawling with them .. An estimated 30 trillion cells in your body — less than a third — are human. The other 70-90% are bacterial and fungal. Ninety-nine percent of the unique genes in your body are bacterial. Only about one percent is human. ref: Revised Estimates for the Number of Human and Bacteria Cells in the Body .. Link https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC4991899/

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Old Gun Addiction FLARED-UP Again:

“The difference between men and boys - is the price of their toys”

This antique FLARE Pistol is a value for money, verey functional, solid lump of metal machinery. Chamber diameter as 4 Gauge (four balls to the pound of lead) "Elephant Gun". - Lots of flair here.

Yes Your Honour - I've been 'at it' again .. I swear guv'ner I'll get myself under control asap. - But I really like Webleys .. 

This is an antique Webley & Scott Mk III* Flare or Signal Pistol, 

'One inch' bore (FOUR BORE typically 26.5mm) .. date stamped 1918.

She's a beaudy .. locks-up tight as a drum and opens wide & smooth to extract positively. 

- No slack or wiggle.

The Mk III* flared muzzle extention was meant to prevent injury from the officer/shooter's hand slipping in front of the muzzle on discharge.

These guns mostly are called BRASS framed but supposedly, they are Bronze or Gunmetal framed but the flared muzzle extension may be brass. The problem here, without being too pedantic, is that there were at least FIVE different UK makers contracted to build this ordnance (Chubb, Greener, Cogswell & Harrison, Wolseley, and Webley & Scott) and some of them could well have used alloys they had laying around in their scrap heaps. 

- There is even a Canadian version having a Zinc Frame ..

- A Pleasing and Pretty Piece I opine - but if you disagree - Please feel free to P-off .

I read that these WW I  - 4 Gauge ("Elephant Gun") 1 inch Flare Pistols were proofed with a cartridge using 1 ounce of lead shot ..

ELEY Flare Gun PROOF Cartridges:

ISAA is Inspector of Small Arms Ammunition

I see that in U S of A you can find caliber convertion inserts that would permit use of smaller 12 Gauge cartridges, or even .410 or 45 Colt rounds - but naturally this might be frowned upon in some jurisdictions such as NZ.

FTF Industries .22" L.R. R/F Converter Insert - $40.

The flare cartridges used in this pistol are the same bore size as 4 Gauge cartridges - as in black powder ELEPHANT GUNS. - Called 'One Inch' bore - they are closer to 1.1 inch.

- Can you imagine the recoil from firing a solid slug in one of these? - Large bore Black Powder Elephant Guns were dropped very quickly when effective Nitro Express cartridges were introduced ..

Some folk call this type of device a VEREY Pistol .. so named after Edward Wilson Very (1847–1910), an American naval officer who developed and popularized a single-shot breech-loading pistol that fired signal flares invented by Martha J Coston in 1859:

Here are Links to a very interesting story:

https://www.engineergirl.org/125236/Martha-Coston

http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/signal/signalpages/flare/coston3.html

http://www.civilwarsignals.org/pages/signal/signalpages/flare/coston.html

- Here are two more Rabbit Holes to drop into .. Captive Bolt Guns:

https://www.accles-shelvoke.com/company/about-accles-shelvoke/history

and some history of Eley ammunition manufacture:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eley_Limited

Oh yeah, - PS. - Do you know where you are - Like, where our planet Earth is? 

Try this:

https://spaceplace.nasa.gov/galaxy/en/

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Marty K.

Rules Is Rules:

Shooting sports in New Zealand are being progressively strangled by regulation.

As sporting gun owners we all must surely know about the onerous, costly FIREARMS LICENCE requirements and REGISTRATION obligations.

You do know that the enforcers of those regulations, NZ POLICE are exempt from these laws?

But Wait - There's More ..

Are you aware of other regulations that limit and control the TRANSPORT and STORAGE of our sporting goods and ammunition?

Have you tried lawfully sending a firearm to someone lately?

Do you know what a CLASS 1 HAZARDOUS SUBSTANCE is? 

Have you tried buying BLACK POWDER muzzleloading propellants recently? - It would cost more than $200 a tin BUT nobody has any for sale.

Do you know what a 'CSL' is? : - CSL a CONTROLLED SUBSTANCE LICENCE

Do you know the definition of what a 'PCBU' is? - PCBU: a PERSON CONDUCTING A BUSINESS OR UNDERTAKING

Do you have a compliance certificate, that is required for a hazardous substance location under Part 9, 10, 11, or 12 (except regulation 9.36) and is renewed at intervals not exceeding 12 months (unless that period is extended under regulation 8.2).

Are you familiar with the Health and Safety at Work (Hazardous Substances) Regulations 2017 - There are 12 complex chapters parts of these regulations (currently) .. written in remarkably obtuse language.

You can Google it .. it might take a few weeks to try reading it and to try to understand.

- Likely you have heard about the SHOOTING RANGE Regulations that are causing range shut-downs and that currently there are amendments processing through Parliament ..

- These are additional to objections about Noise Complaints etc by Councils and individuals.

I wonder if those Range Regulations are being observed by The Police College RANGE ..

Have NZ civilian Police activated a "triggering event" requiring them to comply and REGISTER ALL thousands of their rifles, high capacity magazines, pistols, grenade launchers and sub-machine guns ..?

WAKE UP

Are YOU 'FIT & PROPER' ?

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Marty K.