Tuesday 16 April 2024

"What's the Diff" .. Antique or 'Wall Hanger'?

 How can you tell if an old dirty rusty Flintlock is a genuine antique or a fake .. did I just pay dollars for an artfully aged modern repro from the tribal zone of the Indian Continent?

I honestly don't have the answer as I'm very recent into buying old shooters. - AND if you bought this gun, at a price you could afford, because it looks genuine and is made from traditional steel, copper alloy & wood - how can you lose? .. probably you could shoot it either way, with moderate loads.

"Bird-Mouth" or "Fish-Mouth" Muzzle.
I posted this image on-line asking could anyone name this style of flintlock muzzle form, only to be told this .. "I suspect it is a tourist trade wall hanger trying to look like a blunderbuss"

Maybe .. if you can't recognise cast POT METAL and plastic when you see it .. THIS is not either

Here is a useful article from the NRA Museum called 'FAKE' by Jim Supica:

https://www.nramuseum.org/gun-info-research/fake!.aspx

.. But be warned that they reference RL Wilson as an 'expert' with collectible Colts .. well he was an expert thief, liar, forger and con-artist. He definately knew his stuff .. You need to watch this Wilson expose' from C&RSENAL ..

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uq8yHzNF3

Enough Patina for an Expert?

When I get an old gun - I want to clean it and remove any active rust before waxing surfaces to protect - and then lubricate moving parts. If there are broken & missing parts I try to fix it. 
- Problem .. these experts say that signs of corrective work and preservation are evidence of fakery ...
I dispute that - how would any genuine firearm survive from antiquity, 200+ years without damage, maintenance & repairs - that would mean only an investment piece kept as a safe queen for centuries would qualify as 'genuine'?

Variables again .. are your priorities MONEY or your interest and use of various kinds of guns?

I have seen an interesting FLINLOCK TINDER LIGHTER complete with remains of a beeswax candle .. that could be either a centuries old 'antique' or a "modern" unmarked Italian reproduction that ceased manufacture in the 1960's so might be only 70 years old.
An "expert" would need to take metalurgy samples and examine perhaps for machining marks etc. - Oh to be aged 'only' 70 years old again ..
Marty K.

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